The Last Post

[Alex MacLeod]

Sophia, I think what Smee is saying is that the city of Inverness, and indeed the county of the same name, is populated by as many, if not more, people from further afield as those who have been born and brought up in the area. At no point did he say whether that was a good thing or bad. Personally I think its a great honour for the region that so many from outside want to settle here and if they wish to come and support the local team then even better.

Unfortunately, in the society we live in, its white, english speaking do-gooders who are deciding what is or isn't racialism and not the people we expect should be offended. Indeed some of my ethnic friends and colleagues feel more offended by what we deem to be racialism than by any acts aimed at them. An example of that that I would give is: I can have a banter with a black friend about getting sun tanned on holiday and he replies with some other good natured retort about white people. Neither he nor I feel offended or harassed by this but some eavesdropping do-gooder would see the conversation as racialism. So where is the racialism.

[SMEE]

SMEE,

I don't swear in front of children, some do.

Don't feel threatened.

Heard a programme on Radio 4 yesterday, it seems that Britain has exported more of our species than she has imported.

Forgive me, I'm rather puzzled by your "Invernessians in the minority" statement. How do you define Invernessian?

Perhaps a radius from the Town House would do the trick.

Would an incomer from Aviemore or Alness be ok? How about Aberfeldy? Altrincham? Aachan? Ahmadabad?

I'm sure ICT would welcome every last one of them through the turnstiles as if there is one thing we need it is more supporters.

I would define an Invernessian as an individual born and raised in the town/city. And no....an "incomer from Aviemore or Alness" could not be classed as an Invernessian, nor would anyone from anywhere else you mention!  No more so than if I moved to London. I wouldnt be considered a Londoner.

No one here has argued against any person having the freedom to support ICT should they be black, white,  Invernessian, Algerian or whatever. So dont start trying to make out they have!

[Johnboy]

Forgive me, I'm rather puzzled by your "Invernessians in the minority" statement. How do you define Invernessian?

Would an incomer from Aviemore or Alness be ok? How about Aberfeldy? Altrincham? Aachan? Ahmadabad?

Sorry - Alness is out of the question..... :020:

[weeStie]

Smee said -

"I would define an Invernessian as an individual born and raised in the town/city. And no....an "incomer from Aviemore or Alness" could not be classed as an Invernessian, nor would anyone from anywhere else you mention!  No more so than if I moved to London. I wouldnt be considered a Londoner. "

Sorry pet, that's bollox.

I moved to Inverness when I was six weeks old, otherwise I might have been a Morton supporter or worse - a Hun or a Tim.  I was brought up in the Merkinch and Hilton (old), spent 7 years in the Merkinch primary school and 6 in the Academy.  I am and always have been an Invernesian.  You can't define someone by where they were born or brought up.  That would make Sir Cliff Richards an Indian!!!!!!!!!!  And don't forget that Alness has more weegies than any other town in the North.

[SMEE]

Smee said -

"I would define an Invernessian as an individual born and raised in the town/city. And no....an "incomer from Aviemore or Alness" could not be classed as an Invernessian, nor would anyone from anywhere else you mention!  No more so than if I moved to London. I wouldnt be considered a Londoner. "

Sorry pet, that's bollox.

I moved to Inverness when I was six weeks old, otherwise I might have been a Morton supporter or worse - a Hun or a Tim.  I was brought up in the Merkinch and Hilton (old), spent 7 years in the Merkinch primary school and 6 in the Academy.  I am and always have been an Invernesian.  You can't define someone by where they were born or brought up.  That would make Sir Cliff Richards an Indian!!!!!!!!!!  And don't forget that Alness has more weegies than any other town in the North.

You can call yourself an Invernessian if you want. Its no skin of my nose. But you were not born here, therfore, in my book, your not an invernessian. I was asked to define an Invernessian, so I gave what i understand one to be.

To add weight to my point, since your nit picking, check this  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londoner  so if it applies to london, it applies to across the board am sure!

[Alex MacLeod]

If thats the case then Smee it is very likely that half the population from Fort William, Newtonmore, Nairn, Ullapool, Dornoch and all towns and villages in between are Invernessians. We were all born in Raigmore.

[SMEE]

Is this not going off topic and becoming nonsense again? I can see how ppl leave this site if this is how it normally is! This started as a football related thread, and now has turned into dictionary corner thanks to sophia asking for definitions and me stupidly playing her game.

[clacher_holiday2]

can i pay?

an invernessian is somebody who was raised in inverness, regardless of where they were born

[Harry Chibber]

So if you were born in England but raised in Scotland are you Scottish?

[Mrs Pauliebee]

PB - you wanna answer this one?  :015:

Nope, I don't reckon it does.

Just like being born in Inverness, brought up in Tain, but then moving back to Inverness

and living the rest of my days in Sneck - will still make me a Tainer!

[Scotty]

You are what you think you are .......

If you were born in one place and brought up in another you could legitimately say you were from either place. If you moved to a place at any part of your life and have become embedded in that society then you can also legitimately claim to be from there. Its your own opinion that matters, not anyone elses.

example ....

To the rest of Canada (outside Toronto), I am classed as a Torontonian !!!

To a fellow Torontonian, I am seen by many as a Scotsman

To a fellow Scotsman in Toronto, I am always seen as an Invernessian.

To myself, I am an Invernessian first as I was born and brought up there, but I am also a Torontonian as I live and work here and also pay my taxes here.

[SMEE]

I dont think everyone will agree on this matter, But am right...according to wikipedia!! :016: Lets agree to disagree on this and get back to the original topic. Hows that for a ground breaking idea?

[Guest sophia]

SMEE, perhaps you took my question a little too literally.

You wrote "black man on the streets of Inverness..........get a grip. Invernessians themselves seem to be in the minority these days here!"

I honestly do not know what you mean by this.

If it is not a 1st generation geography thing, has it perhaps got more to do with where your parents, grandparents etc were born and bred.

I mean would you be a pure Invernessian if you could trace your genealogy to the shores of the Ness?

[SMEE]

What I mean about Invernessians seeming to be in the minority is this...........In my experience, from most times i go out and about, be it shops, along high street whatever, there seems to be more incomers accents prevalent than a true local. Add to that the thousands of "ecenomic migrants" of all different nationalities (and am gonna bite my tongue here!) that have come to the area in last two or so years (the highest percentage in Scotland).....well, i think you get the pciture.

[Heilandee]

Reckon Scotty has got it about right,I was born in Belfast,had my first few formative years in Yorkshire,then was brought up for the main part in Dundee,by indigenous Gaelic speaking parents of west coast origin and have lived in Inverness for near 20 years but will always consider myself a Dundonian first and foremost.    On the original subject matter of abuse due to race,my father always maintained they were the first "white settlers" having been given land on Skye by the government in the 20's to relocate from Harris and had to suffer a fair bit of resentment and abuse from the Skianachs towards the Hearachs due to religeous differances etc, the more things change.......

[Guest sophia]

SMEE,

How would you change things for the better?

What would you like done to get us back to where we were several years ago?

[SMEE]

what exactly are you reffering to sophia? Are we talking Football? Are you talking about imigration? What? Are you maybe holding out in the hope am gonna come out wi some racist slur?

[Scotty]

Is this not going off topic and becoming nonsense again? I can see how ppl leave this site if this is how it normally is! This started as a football related thread, and now has turned into dictionary corner

I am in agreement with this comment and am moving it elsewhere as there has not been a football related comment in it, far less an ICT related one, for quite some time.

If anyone wishes to question that decision, please do it via email or private message or it will be ignored.

[Johnboy]

SMEE,

How would you change things for the better?

What would you like done to get us back to where we were several years ago?

Sophia : Do you think things need to be changed for the better?

Would you like to see something done to "get us back to where we were" several years ago?

This might come as surprise to you but I would say by far the great majority of posters on here are perfectly happy with, not just the rate of which Inverness is expanding, but its pronounced direction towards a more multi-cultural society than was the case - say 25 years ago -

[Johnboy]

Maybe The Last Post could become a useful forum for general debate - not necessarily connected with ICT....

Did anyone see anything of the orange walk/apprentice boys parade on Saturday?

Is that something anyone would like to see more of in Sneck?

[SMEE]

I  am against everything these marches stand for. To me, its about provocation. In Belfast espesh....they seem hellbent on going thro the others area and to me, thats nothing to do with anything other than getting one over on the other side.

The other thing is, as part of being one of the fastest growing cities in western europe, i think things like this and other less desireable things we have been sheltered from up here are going to become commonplace. I for one preffered Inverness as it was 10 yrs ago.

[caley100]

Did anyone see anything of the orange walk/apprentice boys parade on Saturday?

Is that something anyone would like to see more of in Sneck?

Now that was a feckin farce... saw them pass along the river as i crossed the bridge, That was pure football related sectarianism, a flute band playing all the rangers songs, songs which are banned at football matches i may add, followed by a large group of people in rangers strips.

Now if the want to march about play whistles and bang drums thats up to them, but why is it allowed on the streets of a city with no relgious conflicts when its banned inside football stadiums?

[SMEE]

The Orange marches pre date rangers fc by some years. They werent devised for the football, but adopted as way of recognition to their beginings. Yes I agree they have no place in football, but i do realise people of this persausions right to "celebrate" the past..... But in the right circumstances. And there is little difference in the sentiment of these Orange songs and Flower of Scotland to me.

[Guest Atholl]

The Orange marches pre date rangers fc by some years. They werent devised for the football, but adopted as way of recognition to their beginings. Yes I agree they have no place in football, but i do realise ppl of this persausions right to "celebrate" the past. And there is little difference in the sentiment of these Orange songs and Flower of Scotland to me.

I think the problem lies in the self policing of these marches, allowing hangers on to be an intimidatory factor.. I recall a march back in 1984 in Inverness and walking past it beside the cathedral as it headed towards the Bught area.. I had on my Weekend Warriors outfit at the time having been at Gordonville Road and was given clenched salutes by a group of drunken neanderthals, probably having assumed that I had flown in specially from a tour of the province just to be with them on their special day.. I think you're fundamentally correct that it is their right to celebrate what they believe in but it shouldn't mean the people of Inverness should have to go inside and lock their doors.. Speaking of Flower of Scotland why not strike a balance for next year and combine this event with another much misinterpreted local event and just let them march up and down Culloden Moor for an hour or so... problem solved... the Japanese Tourists won't even know the difference I'm sure.. :004:

[f*ballers wife]

.........the problem with the site now is that it is mainly populated with little feckin pompous, politically correct erseholes who have no feckin sense of humour and feel that there opinion is always right. :010:........

oh my!!!

geez guys... been off for a wee while and come back to THIS.... you KNOW i canna read big posts!  :014:

and i am NOT one of those people howdi  :001: altho having said that, i like to think i do have a politically correct erse!  :023:

more to the point, do you want me to pop round and help de~stress you sophia?  :004: