Kelty/ Is this a joke - merged thread

[CaleyCiuin]

2 minutes ago, old caley girl said:

I'm a Trust member not a board member. The Trust is regulated by the FCA and for community benefit. A read through the rules might help? 

The Trust holds the fans voting right and thus votes on behalf of members. It is not a supporters club as some think but obviously the larger the membership the more representative of the fanbase it is. As said above the ST did a very comprehensive survey of ALL fans last year. 

If you are a member and not happy then maybe communicate with the board? 

Tbh I hope the fan base stays united as this has worked so far. Sniping at other fans doing their best will only help the dark powers at club 

It’s not sniping…….its an observation that the Trust aims & ambitions don’t seem to have any detail on the mechanics of how to collate the opinions of the fans they represent. The match day survey was a good initiative, is that the means to gather wider opinion? If so you don’t need to be a Trust member necessarily. I may become a Trust member, but when I hear others say they have information from the Club to allay fears and then fail to pass that on, or even explain why they can’t, I have trouble trusting the Trust.

[Leaky Blinder]

2 hours ago, dougal said:

We had a supporter on the first ICT board however it was a complete and utter waste of time from memory. 
 

We did he was a Caley dissenter appointed to appease the revolting  

[+old caley girl]

16 minutes ago, CaleyCiuin said:

It’s not sniping…….its an observation that the Trust aims & ambitions don’t seem to have any detail on the mechanics of how to collate the opinions of the fans they represent. The match day survey was a good initiative, is that the means to gather wider opinion? If so you don’t need to be a Trust member necessarily. I may become a Trust member, but when I hear others say they have information from the Club to allay fears and then fail to pass that on, or even explain why they can’t, I have trouble trusting the Trust.

I don't think there is anything suggesting the Trust are untrustworthy? There is no evidence that they areknow much more than us? I know we are all fed up and impatient but all of this is on the club? The silence is deafening! As for joining I'd ask you to do so as numbers are definitely power going forward 

 

[IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER]

Let's hope that tomorrow we have some sort of clue as to who might be actually playing for us next season and whether Dunc is returning. Without any sort of background information this will just explode our frustration yet again - but I'm not holding my breath

[dougal]

4 hours ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

Let's hope that tomorrow we have some sort of clue as to who might be actually playing for us next season and whether Dunc is returning. Without any sort of background information this will just explode our frustration yet again - but I'm not holding my breath

[STFU]

I've had and still have some concerns with the supporters trust but some of the recent comments on this thread are a bit out of order.

If they have agreed to receive information in confidentiality then I don't think they should be sharing it.  It would have been good to get a bit more on what kind of assurances they had received along with the statement that was a complete u-turn on the feeling of fans at the most recent meeting even if that didn't have any detail.

They may currently find themselves stuck between a rock and a very hard place.  Their encouraging of fans to spend money with the club on season tickets and merchandise might also come back to bite them and ruin their standing with fans.Their total silence since that statement is also concerning.  All that said I don't think it's right to be intimating they can't be trusted.  Noting has happened to justify that.

I fall in the camp of people still refusing to buy my season ticket or any merchandise but I also hope the supporters trust were right to back a call to do so.

All fans want the same thing even if we might disagree on the way we go about it.  The last thing we need is to be divided and fighting among ourselves.

[Achfary]

Well, The Trust are in the Courier now stating they haven't seen any progress since being given assurances almost two weeks ago.

That is hugely worrying and disheartening.  

The board were clearly content to let the club wither, that much is clear, but now they seem to be signing the DNR form.

Why won't they constructively work towards a transition to new ownership given their "cry for help"?.

They must have their motives.

[buckett]

As someone suggested earlier, it does smack of petulance.

But I can't help wondering now, would it be to the advantage of certain individuals if the club were to be wound up?

Can they just, metaphorically, take the money and run?

Edited June 25, 2024 by buckett

[Jack Waddington]

On a slightly different note, has anyone heard anything r.e. player sponsorships? Sponsored Niko this/last season, but haven't got a slice of information since Keith emailing me the confirmation email back in October

[Hearach]

52 minutes ago, Jack Waddington said:

On a slightly different note, has anyone heard anything r.e. player sponsorships? Sponsored Niko this/last season, but haven't got a slice of information since Keith emailing me the confirmation email back in October

No. But as long as a certain individual remains in the building won’t be sponsoring anyone.

[caley1]

I so wish we knew exactly when SG  D Day is . I would so have loved a countdown clock to start the party .

[+DoofersDad]

So that's another week gone with no further update about what is happening at the club. And it is 2 weeks since we were told about "hugely positive discussions with a number of potential investors".  I thought it had been mentioned somewhere that the deadline for getting audited accounts to Companies House was 30th June, but seeing as the 30th is on Sunday, the effective deadline would have been today.  Can anyone clarify?

[IBM]

55 minutes ago, DoofersDad said:

So that's another week gone with no further update about what is happening at the club. And it is 2 weeks since we were told about "hugely positive discussions with a number of potential investors".  I thought it had been mentioned somewhere that the deadline for getting audited accounts to Companies House was 30th June, but seeing as the 30th is on Sunday, the effective deadline would have been today.  Can anyone clarify?

No idea there DD but like yourself and many other supporters of the club we are getting totally pi**ed off with the way we their customers have been treated not to mention those employed at the club in a football or support function.  The staff are kept in the dark as well.  I know they are unable to say who might be involved but a simple press release would help but it seems those involved with the club are incapable of doing so!  Not a penny more from me till we hear something positive 

[Leaky Blinder]

53 minutes ago, DoofersDad said:

 I thought it had been mentioned somewhere that the deadline for getting audited accounts to Companies House was 30th June, but seeing as the 30th is on Sunday, the effective deadline would have been today.  Can anyone clarify?

if the intention is to file electronically then they sould still be okay to be filed right up to the actual deadline as they are date/time stamped by the software.

Assuming a third party is submitting them on the clubs behalf then you assume there has been dialogue this week to ensure the submission will take place within the timeline. 

That said If the club has also gone radio silent with the accountancy firm then they will be in limbo if whatever triggered the extension hasn't now been reconciled.  

[IBM]

I will put this in here two different stories about Cameron Harper. 
The undisclosed fee the club talked about is nothing!

 

[+old caley girl]

6 minutes ago, IBM said:

I will put this in here two different stories about Cameron Harper. 
The undisclosed fee the club talked about is nothing!

 

This will also be the same with Lewis Hyde and Roddy Macgregor?  Incompetent or what? 

Also interestingly says agreement not fee...

Edited June 29, 2024 by old caley girl

[RednBlackComeback]

Would there even have been an agreement, if he was out of contract and not offered a new one? Or is this simply more deception from the club?

[LisleRightPeg]

My understanding is that if the club offered the lads new contracts and they still wanted to leave then a development fee is triggered due to being u24. If these lads left for nothing then it’s another embarrassing situation 

[Yngwie]

Perhaps the situation was that with the threat of administration hanging over us at that time and no rescue deal on the table, we were simply unable to offer contracts at that time. Unlawful trading. 

Still doesn’t explain the club’s slightly misleading statement- although reading it again it says undisclosed transfer agreement, which is true, rather than undisclosed transfer fee. Big difference.

Edited June 29, 2024 by Yngwie

[ICTPaisley]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I always thought the development fee was waived when transferring across the border though, is this not the case?

[Charles Bannerman]

13 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

I thought it had been mentioned somewhere that the deadline for getting audited accounts to Companies House was 30th June, but seeing as the 30th is on Sunday, the effective deadline would have been today.  Can anyone clarify?

The deadline was Friday 31st May and as I write, 29 days later, there is still no sign at Companies House. The original deadline was 29th February but a three month extension to 31st May was obtained by the device of a one day alteration to the accounting period.

The deadline of this Friday, 5th July, for issuing notice of an AGM is also imminent. The company’s Articles of Association state that there must be no more than 15 months between AGMs and that the notice period is 21 days. The last one was on 26th April 2023 which means that the deadlines for the next are notice by July 5th for a meeting on July 26th. (FYI - the last one was subject to a deadline of 21st December 2022 so was over 4 months late. This means that the company has held just one AGM since September 2021.

[+MrCaleyjag]

What are the rules, does it have to be an offer on the same wage or higher to trigger the development fee or can it be less than the players current contract thats due to run out?

If the later then surely regardless of situation you offer something to trigger the fee should it come to that. Either it's a lack of care or lack of understanding the laws of governance in the game.

I'm happy to be stood corrected as I'm sure someone will know the ruling better than my understanding.

[+old caley girl]

51 minutes ago, MrCaleyjag said:

What are the rules, does it have to be an offer on the same wage or higher to trigger the development fee or can it be less than the players current contract thats due to run out?

If the later then surely regardless of situation you offer something to trigger the fee should it come to that. Either it's a lack of care or lack of understanding the laws of governance in the game.

I'm happy to be stood corrected as I'm sure someone will know the ruling better than my understanding.

I am told it needs to be the same or more as on previously? Surely a conversation could have been had as I doubt he was staying anyway? 

[bdu98196]

1 hour ago, MrCaleyjag said:

What are the rules, does it have to be an offer on the same wage or higher to trigger the development fee or can it be less than the players current contract thats due to run out?

If the later then surely regardless of situation you offer something to trigger the fee should it come to that. Either it's a lack of care or lack of understanding the laws of governance in the game.

I'm happy to be stood corrected as I'm sure someone will know the ruling better than my understanding.

Pretty sure you can't just offer a derisory contract to a young player which a club doesn't want to keep in oder to activate a development fee just by 'ticking the contract on the table box'. There will likely be criteria around the level of terms, which given our situation the club may not have been in a financial or legal position to meet.

 

[CaleyCiuin]

The Club it seems is truly skint! No board member is putting in any cash and no other income stream coming in. The money for where we finished in the league would have been very small and probably already used up.   The now Ex Chairman was keeping things afloat financially, but he has now gone along with his money. With that being the case it must only be season ticket sales that are paying wages for the players & staff etc. If no new investment is found soon, surely the club don’t have the ability to function much longer ??????? don’t know how many season tickets have been sold, but with the Trust now advising against buying them, surely it’s only a matter of time before we go bust !!!!!! Perhaps there is investment coming, but when and how much to clear debt and move forward. It’s really the only reason we have young (cheap), players in our current squad. I don’t think the Kelty move would have really sorted out the financial predicament!