Kelty/ Is this a joke - merged thread

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

Important to see who approved this move - https://ictfc.com/the-board/

[caley1]

18 minutes ago, CELTIC1CALEY3 said:

Important to see who approved this move - https://ictfc.com/the-board/

If Grassa Fife etc have voted for this then I’m disgusted 

[+DoofersDad]

21 minutes ago, CELTIC1CALEY3 said:

Important to see who approved this move - https://ictfc.com/the-board/

They don't even keep their website remotely up to date.  Liam Delgarno resigned from the Board back in December.

Edited May 24 by DoofersDad

[+MrCaleyjag]

Not detracting from the statement and everything surrounding it, as my brain can't process the ins-and-outs just now, but for me the rot and decline started when the club allowed people to come in with no vested interested in Inverness Caledonian Thistle as a whole. 

In that I mean people who had no understanding of ICT as a club before they came in, it's battles to become what it was before they came in, to understand the history, where it came from. Who had no understanding of Inverness as an area, a community, the way of life, the different pace in the Highlands and certainly no idea of how to deal with it or desire to manipulate their way of thinking.

What we see now is a club who are beseiged by power brokers who have a complete central belt mentality and at the top of that are the CEO, manager and Chairman. Just look at their backgrounds and where they've come from, where their allegiances were and probably in some ways are. Taking the SG as point in case, everywhere he's been in football has turned to rat ****, no one heeded the warnings.

I'm utterly dumbfounded that those in positions with money and those that claim to understand ICT as a whole and what it was supposed to stand for, are allowing the club to be ripped apart, bit by bit.

I said in another thread, when I banged my head and agreed with Dougal, that the statement 3/4 days ago was only the beginning and I feared for the future. Well, I fear there's going to be more.

 

Argue what you will about how it matters where the team trains, not everyone will agree, but what no one can surely argue with is that the team surely must be located within at least a plausible distance and catchment area of where the club is based. The statement effectively says the club doesn't give a toss where players stay and advocates for central belt living. We're not talking about any old job, sport, team sports are different.

We should be championing the Highlands, it should be a place where younger players come to learn their trade, mature, learn a bit about life, get better and we sell them on. It should about attracting an older few players of quality, not interested in money, who want to play out their career because they want to play and pass on their experience to younger players. There's no coincidence that our best two managers over the last decade and a bit loved their time up here, they couldn't speak highly enough of it. Ok one got dazzled by bigger city lights, the others head got too big but deep down everytime they spoke, they championed the Highlands - I'm not sure this allows us or anyone to do that.

[RednBlackComeback]

Coincidentally I was reading this article earlier today https://www.ambaile.org.uk/asset/53128/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0lxtizFuIMnKVxwiFyQDOGlfzTNV3IBxvfo3KqKY9PkmfJrQz6t25CbbQ_aem_AUnk5-1u-UFHr_6xhvNtVuwTCPauw9ACkJKIezMku577dU2zkf1GlphRcv6YC1VWRUoIdSETKhyeEF0yw5_fZrid

50 years ago Thistle were wrongly refused entry to the Scottish league, with the reason given that Inverness was too far to travel for visiting clubs! The position given to Ferranti instead, a club thst didn't even meet the entry requirements!

Today our own board have taken the club back 50 years!  Inverness is officially too far to travel to again!

Beggars belief. 

[Robert]

7 pages of comments in only 9 hours and not a match in sight!

That sums up the strength of feeling over this ill thought out, insane decision.

A club has to be in its community, otherwise there can be no engagement and support will wither (or whatever support is left after recent diabolical decisions and performances).

I’m struggling with how this benefits the finances.

Surely we’d be better to capitalise on the products of our Academy along with experienced players who are happy to be in the area? We might not bounce back right away but the passion would be restored and the fans would get behind local youngsters.

This is a decision made by people who don’t understand the area we are in, and who have totally misread the mood of fans, and it is a total disgrace that everyone involved should be ashamed of.

To me, this is much worse than relegation and I’d rather have seen us go to a Cove model of hybrid full and part time than this.

A very sad day.

[dougiedanger]

I mind the Aberdeen based players used to train there in the HL days, but this is comply different, and smacks of another ‘cunning plan’ and as IHE suggests it would be no surprise if this was part of some scheme to be a feeder club of some sort for the CEO’s beloved team.

[Charles Bannerman]

There was some discussion several posts earlier about sizes of shareholdings. I couldn’t find my original breakdown so I’ve done it again, but relative influence is complicated by the 900,000 shares held by Thistle and Caley (who controls them?) which come with votes only for election of directors, and also the Supporters’ Trust has an automatic 10% - but relative to what? Including or excluding these Thistle and Caley blocks?

I’m going to assume that this relates to an election of directors so the voting shares number 4,902,300 + 544,700 for the ST, giving a total of 5,447,000 votes.

I’ve revisited the latest Companies House Confirmation Statement, logged every shareholding of 50,000 and above and grouped them into the natural combinations with which many of us are familiar. Some of the percentages may be a bit lower than I guessed earlier since the ST is now included, but this all breaks down to:-

Muirfield Mills (9 individuals as far as I can establish) - 820,450 shares (14.9%)

ICT Charitable Trust (donated by Tullochs) - 729,500 (13.4%)

Supporters’ Trust N/A (10.0% by definition)

Mcgilvray family - 487233 (8.9%)

Alan Savage/Orion - 467,006 (8.6%)

Sutherland family - 300,250 (5.5%)

David Cameron - 175,000 (3.2%)

Roddy Ross - 170,000 (3.1%)

George Fraser - 51,000 (0.9%)

There are several other five figure holdings below 50,000 among a total of 549 holdings and they go right down to the most common holding which is the £250 that many people, including myself, bought in the original 1996 issue.

I’m not 100% certain I've got the voting arrangements with respect to the Thistle and Caley block right, but all the same, this breakdown does give us a pretty good indication of the relative power blocks within the club - and also shows us that even the four biggest holdings still don’t come to 50%.

[+DoofersDad]

It's not just that it is an insane decision, it is the way it it has been communicated.  Even if it was a very sensible decision, moving the training base to the central belt, with all the downsides that are involved, should only be done with regret.  To announce the move up front with "delight" is crass, ignorant and insensitive.  It is further evidence that those responsible have absolutely no concept of the community values of OUR club.  This crisis has to result in change in the leadership at the club.  

After the relegation statement I commented that they have ripped the heart and soul out of our club.  Today they have ripped the liver and spleen out too.

[KirkieRobRoy]

Stranraer have a core of players who train in Glasgow. Look at the end of season tables to figure whether that's a good template to follow.

Kelty knocked Rob Roy out of the Junior Cup a few years ago. Not a place I like.

[+MrCaleyjag]

Call my a cynic, many have over the years, but who else stands to gain from this decision?

Think about all the bad decisions that have gone before made by this board, Chairman and CEO and at the root of everything it's how to make money but unfortunately not directly for the club.

Who at Kelty Hearts stands to benefit? Who are Kelty Hearts main beneficiaries?

I might be wildly pointing accusations and jumping to ridiculous conclusions however there are far greater minds on this forum than me that I'm sure could otherwise dig into Kelty's background, affiliations, backers etc. 

Why specifically Kelty Hearts, there must be more to it than we're being told or led to believe.

[Yngwie]

Not sure wha5 you might be alluding to with your cynicism, but I think we have all assumed that it is Kelty because they offer the nearest suitable facility that is available at the times we need and is accessible to the central belt motorway network and to the A9.

[+MrCaleyjag]

1 minute ago, Yngwie said:

Not sure wha5 you might be alluding to with your cynicism, but I think we have all assumed that it is Kelty because they offer the nearest suitable facility that is available at the times we need and is accessible to the central belt motorway network and to the A9.

That's like saying the Westminster Government only have the interests of the country at heart when they pressed on with their Rwanda project. 

Nothings ever clear cut or portrayed in the vain it should be.

All I'm saying is don't blindly look at things at face value especially with a regime that shows so much distain towards it's followers.

Unless I'm missing a sarcastic undertone in your reply pointed elsewhere.

[Yngwie]

I’m afraid you’ve lost me. 

[Doofer]

I have been an ICT fan since I was 7 (now 37) and I use to love being able to bump into the players in the town, down the shops (Paul Sheerin lived round the corner from me) and used to feel like I was in the presence of a celeb. Young fans now are not going to have that joy that I did and that sadden me. Having the players come round your school, take a training session of your school team was just amazing. 

What angered me the most with this statement was that the board were "delighted" to rip the heart and soul of OUR club and move it to Fife. They say that Inverness will always be our home - at least every other Saturday anyway. 

This could be the beginning of the end of my beloved ICT
 

 

[FrontRow]

What a way to celebrate 30 years….as so many have said before this feels worse than relegation. The fact that the club seem to have given up their role as Highland ambassadors amazes me. It is now a franchise - like an American football team - hardly surprising having read Gardiner’s love of NFL 

when our kids were younger they had heroes to go and watch,  see them in a supermarket or on the street or maybe at their school - a real life Premier league player!  Now we have the prospect of battling League 1 teams trying to sign Morton or Partick Thistle rejects who will never become household names in Inverness and nor will they care. They get thumped 5-0 at home…they’re not going to see any of the fans on the street or look any of the public in the eye - they won’t give a flying f**k. 
 

what a message to our youngsters as well. For years the Academy has being trying to create players with an edge, telling them that they were just as good as the central belt players. From speaking to the parent of an u18 player who recently signed with us he is very concerned about his sons career - I’d imagine there’s a lot of the Nicolsons, Brays and Thompsons at the club who are also very worried. 
What a farce 
 

 

Edited May 24 by FrontRow

[bdu98196]

Any news of inbound central belt superstars yet?

Edited May 24 by bdu98196

[Northern_jaggie]

A thing we are needing is those on the board who disagree with this decision to loudly condemn this decision by speaking through the media and publicly shame those pushing it through. We need to know who the fan’s allies are on the board because the whole lot of them are in the crosshairs at the moment.
 

If there is enough for a vote of no confidence somehow then perhaps ousting the bad eggs could be possible. Name and shame…let’s have the details. Grassa? Are you listening?

[KirkieRobRoy]

10 minutes ago, Northern_jaggie said:

A thing we are needing is those on the board who disagree with this decision to loudly condemn this decision by speaking through the media and publicly shame those pushing it through. We need to know who the fan’s allies are on the board because the whole lot of them are in the crosshairs at the moment.
 

If there is enough for a vote of no confidence somehow then perhaps ousting the bad eggs could be possible. Name and shame…let’s have the details. Grassa? Are you listening?

Made a good start on BBC Scotland Drivetime tonight.

[old caley girl]

27 minutes ago, KirkieRobRoy said:

Made a good start on BBC Scotland Drivetime tonight.

Who was on? 

[IBM]

I agree with 99% of what's been said on this thread today I was a Caley supporter since 1968 when I moved into Inverness and an Inverness Caledonian Thistle supporter since the start of our great journey bringing my son along and he will be 40 this year.  Fantastic times along the way with a few blips which you would expect in football but the news today just rips the heart out of the club   I will not be renewing my season ticket as long as these clowns are in charge!

[IBM]

1 hour ago, Yngwie said:

I’m afraid you’ve lost me. 

I think if the Tories get back in on the 4th July you will be going to Rwanda 

[RednBlackComeback]

35 minutes ago, IBM said:

I think if the Tories get back in on the 4th July you will be going to Rwanda 

I think if the tories get back in on the 4th July I'll be moving to the moon  

After today's event I'm consoling myself in the fact that no matter how bad things get at Inverness, at least I'm not a c#unty fan!

 

Edited May 24 by RednBlackComeback

[KirkieRobRoy]

5 hours ago, old caley girl said:

Who was on? 

Didn't catch the name, someone from The Wyness Shuffle.

[+Gringo]

6 hours ago, KirkieRobRoy said:

Made a good start on BBC Scotland Drivetime tonight.

I wonder if that's available on the BBC Sounds app? What time (ish) was it on?