Roscoe

[Guest sophia]

Scotty, why so defensive?

Where did you read in my post that others are not entitled to their opinion?

Everyone is entitled to one, just be prepared to back it up.

I did not generalise unfairly, again if a keyboard critic is acting as judge and jury, then he / she must be prepared to be challenged.

Your statement concerning Ross: "first season where his ability has ever been called into question." is factually incorrect.

Your statement that Ross "has had nothing but praise on this board for years" is factually incorrect.

[CaleyD]

Did you actually read Scotty's full post properly before you compiled the above reply?

[Harry Chibber]

P&B

What other supporters think of the big man...

[Guest sophia]

Yes.

A straight answer.

May I ask the same of you in reply to my question:

Given his circumstances and that of the team, do you think the harsh criticism meted out to Ross on this forum is "deserved"?

[Johnboy]

For God's sake Sophia, stop nit-picking and lighten up.....

Surely by now you know as far as supporters are concerned a footballer is only as good as his last pass..... Foottie fans pay handsomely each week to vent their speen and release all their pent up emotions..... Unfortunately for Rossco his presense on the field seldom goes unnoticed...

I love the big guy.... especially when he gets up a head of steam and launches himself into a tackle... the sight of ball, turf and opposing player being dispatched into touch, (it's important to stress that order) always gladdens my heart....

So please, the critics will always have their say..... occasionally some of them will own up and admit they maybe got it wrong....

It's all part of this rich tapestry we refer to as football......

Now go and make yourself a nice cup of tea....  :022:

[RiG]

May I ask the same of you in reply to my question:

Given his circumstances and that of the team, do you think the harsh criticism meted out to Ross on this forum is "deserved"?

In my opinion yes though not always.He was certainly back to his best against Hibs which was good to see.

But Tokely has been under performing this season by some standard. He has been sluggish, careless and has cost us goals.

I wonder if the lack of a back up right back has meant he has become somewhat complacent before/after his injury?

[Guest sophia]

He was not fit enough.

Do you think he was not fit enough by his own choice?

Have you noticed what Ross does after our team scores a goal?

[RiG]

If he wasn't fit enough then it calls into question the decision to play and possibly whether he himself declared himself fit to play.

What does Tokely do after scoring a goal? I would guess celebrate a lot as they don't come along too often so he will certainly enjoy it.

[Harry Chibber]

May I ask the same of you in reply to my question:

Given his circumstances and that of the team, do you think the harsh criticism meted out to Ross on this forum is "deserved"?

In my opinion yes though not always.He was certainly back to his best against Hibs which was good to see.

But Tokely has been under performing this season by some standard. He has been sluggish, careless and has cost us goals.

I wonder if the lack of a back up right back has meant he has become somewhat complacent before/after his injury?

I can't really think of a goal this season that has come directly from Rossco's mistake :024:

[RiG]

At least of the goals at Tynie were because Tokely misjudged the flight of the ball.

How come you never saw them?

Oh wait!  :015:

[Guest sophia]

He goes straight back to his position.

Even when the rest of the outfield players were in a huddle after JR scored his utterly unbelievable goal against Rangers, Ross was standing in position awaiting the restart.

Why?

My guess is that he is conserving energy and exertion.

Also you may have noticed specialist stretching exercises during the warm up.

There are plenty players who play through injury.

Eddie Gray, if memory serves me, carried a groin injury for most of his career,

John Brown, as legend has it, could not walk on the morning of the game that Rangers won the league against Aberdeen, the one when Mark Hately roughed up Michael Watt (?)

[Harry Chibber]

At least of the goals at Tynie were because Tokely misjudged the flight of the ball.

How come you never saw them?

Oh wait!  :015:

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[RiG]

Walked into that one eh Gaz?  :004:

Sophia - I don't normally see what the players are doing when they score (too busy jumping up and down like a moron!) but I did see his reaction for his goal v Dunfermline and it was a picture. I don't think I have seen anyone so happy  :015:

[Council Juice]

In my opinion, you only need to words to sum this guy up. "Living Leg-end"  -a leg-end in my social surroundings, being of even greater standing than a legend.

Leg-end!

[tm4tj]

hmmnnn, rig, the question was actually, what does Rossco do when the team scores??

[Johnboy]

Eddie Gray, if memory serves me, carried a groin injury for most of his career,

You're right about that Sophia.... and it didn't stop him charging down the left wing for Leeds United and delivering a telling cross....

Fancy you being old enough to remember him...!!  :004:

[CaleyD]

Sophia, I would be interested in seeing you give some examples of all this abuse you think Rossco is taking - as you seem to have a different slant on what abuse is to me.  I see plenty of constructive criticism, but no much abuse.

All the excuses in the world about being injured doesn't mean that the guy hasn't suffered a dip in form, yes their may be sound reason for it, but it's till happened and people are perfectly justified to raise the point for discussion.

On the whole the forum users of this site have been 100% behind Rossco for many seasons now, with the odd exception when we have made the step up and some question whether or not he would hack it at the next level.  Love him or hate him, not many will deny that Rossco is 100% ICT and very few will doubt that he gives his all.

[RiG]

hmmnnn, rig, the question was actually, what does Rossco do when the team scores??

I don't know. I've already said why I tend not to notice what goes on after we score a goal.

I don't see the relevance to the argument though?

[tm4tj]

D, I would back Soph to find some abuse of Rossco on here. Every player has his slaggers, I don't think anyone has been beyond criticism at some stage. Rossco has copped a fair bit of the usual "he is only playing because we don't have another right back" or "he is too slow" or "he looks unfit"..............the list is infinite.  I have a different view to all the sheep jumping on the bandwagon. I don't think he has been as far off the mark as a lot of people are suggesting, but it's a case of majority rule. For some reason the posters on this site are taking great pleasure in ripping into our own players. Fair criticism does no harm, the players will know themselves if they have underperformed, but unjust criticism will only serve to undermine their confidence. I am not immune to this syndrome, I have often commented on Russells passing game (is there such a thing) or Roy boy not being seen on the park or Broons catching and kicking. But, I take no pleasure in calling the guys who are playing away and giving their all, useless or first division standard or whatever else the armchair manager believes in.

In my eyes, the man is doing just fine, defending when necessary, backing up Barry when required and generally doing his bit for the cause. He can't do everything on his own. We think of Ross as superman, thats maybe doing him a dis-service.

rig, there is no relevance, but your answer to sophia's question was about Ross scoring, a technical fault only.

[CaleyD]

None of those examples constitute abuse IMO, they are all true to some extent and most have been qualified with comments that it's not the norm or is understandable due to him carrying an injury or by hopes that he will recapture the form we know he is capable off (although I agree that he is not as far off form as some would have you believe).

Yes we do have forum users who mindlessly criticise and they jump to whatever negative point seems to be the favourite for the day but they are far from being any kind of majority and the defensive reaction of some is way OTT.

[RiG]

I fail to see how saying that Tokely looks unfit constitutes abuse while saying that McBain has been consistently "invisible" on the pitch doesn't appear to carry the same "label".

[Johnboy]

Have you noticed what Ross does after our team scores a goal?

After the one he scored against Dunfermline it looked like he was in the throes of a major orgasm....!!  :023: :001: :023:

[davieB]

Hmmmm.....should we not be critical anymore incase it's get misinterpreted as abuse??

As I said in the first post, I dont think Ross, up until now, has been anywhere near the standards he's reached in previous seasons. That's not abuse, it's my opinion. And if the reasoning is that he's not had time to reach the fitness levels others have, because of his injury, then it raises the question of why he's been continually selected??

However, using Scottys criteria, I think of myself as being a 3. I've been critical of certain selections, certain performances, and certain players......only when I think it's been merited. Likewise, I've been full of praise when the selections, performances, and players have been spot on.

Hence the thread.

[Guest MIDGE55]

Was getting some work done on his hamstring this week so will he be starting on sunday?

[L_G]

Let me check my chrystal ball and I'll get back to you.  :003: