Shifty Ciftci

[Sneckboy]

There's a poster on a Dundee United forum, with a 'legal' background who predicted that Ciftci would 'get off' due to an error in the wording of the citation. The Compliance Officer suggested Ciftci had 'deliberately' kicked a player on the head. The poster suggested that the word 'recklessly' would have been more appropriate and in that case, Ciftci would certainly have been found culpable. Apparently, from a legal standpoint, it's difficult to PROVE deliberate intent from video evidence - hence the not proven verdict.  

So, perhaps the Compliance Officer made a blunder!

[cif73]

There's a poster on a Dundee United forum, with a 'legal' background who predicted that Ciftci would 'get off' due to an error in the wording of the citation. The Compliance Officer suggested Ciftci had 'deliberately' kicked a player on the head. The poster suggested that the word 'recklessly' would have been more appropriate and in that case, Ciftci would certainly have been found culpable. Apparently, from a legal standpoint, it's difficult to PROVE deliberate intent from video evidence - hence the not proven verdict.

So, perhaps the Compliance Officer made a blunder!

If that's the case, then the SFA decision represents a judgement on the descriptive words used rather than the act itself. Lol. Beggars belief.

[+DoofersDad]

There's a poster on a Dundee United forum, with a 'legal' background who predicted that Ciftci would 'get off' due to an error in the wording of the citation. The Compliance Officer suggested Ciftci had 'deliberately' kicked a player on the head. The poster suggested that the word 'recklessly' would have been more appropriate and in that case, Ciftci would certainly have been found culpable. Apparently, from a legal standpoint, it's difficult to PROVE deliberate intent from video evidence - hence the not proven verdict.  

So, perhaps the Compliance Officer made a blunder!

You may well be right but on the other hand, the SFA disciplinary process is not a legal one.  By their own statement on the website which I quote in my post above, they do not claim simply to enforce the laws of the game (equivalent to a judicial court making a decision on matters of law), they claim to be upholding the integrity and reputation of the game and setting guidelines for acceptable behaviour.  Doing that is different from a quasi-legal process and implies that commonsense should be used when a legalistic approach results in outcomes which run counter to the aims stated above.  In these situations they could simply state that in their opinion it appears to be intentional and whether intentional or not it was certainly reckless and unacceptable behaviour.  If Ciftci has got off because intent was not proved, then surely just about every time someone gets sent off for handball they are going to appeal and get off.  The handball offence is for deliberate handball and 9 times out of 10 it would be nigh on impossible to prove intent.

 

As Cif73 implies, if you are right the panel appear to have ignored the incident and have instead made a judgement against the compliance officer and found him to be incompetent - in that, at least, they would be correct.

Edited March 12, 2015 by DoofersDad

[Yngwie]

Who makes up the panel seems to be a bit of mystery and there's a confidentiality rule that prevents anyone from naming them...!! 

 

I'm fairly sure I can recall hearing long ago on Radio Scotland that these panels are drawn from a pool of former players, former refs and journalists.

[bauhaus]

Only once in my life have I wished real ill will on an absolute rotter and, it happened!   Made some of my friends look at me in a different light!     I now wish real ill will on that thug - he is no advert for sport and/or sportsmanship and a dreadful example for young players who try their best for their Club.     May he come to grief soon, in any way possible - come on Celtic - give him a real do-ing where it hurts.

I started reading this and thought you were talking about Scott Brown, then I got to the come on Celtic bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Been away for a few days, no tv no radio reception and no mobile, My biggest surprise in all this was Scott Brown didnt get offered a two match ban aswell. Reminds me of someone like Jose Mourinho with him telling the radio that his tackle was brilliant which started it all off. He went over the ball and sat on it with his behind and took Ciftci out, who then did react because Brown had badly fouled him. Two red cards in my opinion, but Scottie is the darling of the media, captain of the national team, Is he above the law 

[Yngwie]

I'm starting to think that Dundee Utd's lawyer could even get Jeremy Clarkson cleared!

[gordieict]

Truly remarkable that the panel could fail to see on two occasions what the rest of the country could clearly see, 

[Ten4]

Even Scott Brown had to go on a bender when he found out Ciftci was cleared

[IBM]

Even Scott Brown had to go on a bender when he found out Ciftci was cleared

  :lol:  

[CELTIC1CALEY3]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31934088

 

A Manager's view:

 

McNamara accepts his top scorer is "temperamental" but insists that is not unique among talented players.

"Look at players in the past," McNamara told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound. "There's a thin line between genius and temperament, you saw [Zinedine] Zidane in a World Cup final, losing his rag [and getting sent off when France played Italy in 2006].

"You saw Eric Cantona do it, jumping into the crowd [in 1995 during Manchester United's match against Crystal Palace].
"Fortunately, Nadir's not done anything like that yet.

Dundee United players and manager Jackie McNamara looking dejected
United lost Sunday's League Cup final 2-0 to Celtic "He's been blamed for quite a number of things in the last year-and-half up in Scotland, people wanting him banned and everything else, but he's never done anything that serious in my eyes, so far.

[+DoofersDad]

One wonders if McNamara really means that nonsense.  Maybe one of his players threatened to shove him in the back, elbow him in the neck and kick him in the head unless he said it.  Comparing Ciftci with the likes of Zidane and Cantona is absurd for three reasons.  Firstly he is not fit to even lick the boots of those two when it comes to the genius stakes, secondly the infamous episodes McNamara refers to happened when they lost the plot following provocation, and thirdly, Zidane and Cantona did not routinely cheat.  Ciftci needs no provocation to behave like a thug. 

 

It is, however very interesting that McNamara has used the words C1C3 has highlighted above.  Presumably that is an acknowledgement that doing something even more serious is very possible knowing the nature of the man.  Instead of making limp excuses in trying to defend the indefensible, McNamara should be apologising for his player's behaviour and pointing out to Ciftci that truly great players like Pele and Law, for instance, never ever resorted to Ciftci's kind of antics.  Ciftci doesn't behave the way he does because the behaviour is linked to genius, he behaves the way he does because he's a thug.

 

The message Ciftci must be getting from his manager and the SFA is that there is nothing wrong with his behaviour.  It makes you wonder just what he might do next - grab a match official by the throat perhaps?

[Big G]

Just when I thought Dundee Utd could not sink any lower McNamara comes out with this utter rubbish. Deny, deflect, accuse and lie. This should be their club moto.

[+bughtmaster]

Does McNamara suffer from macular degeneration, glaucoma

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31934088

 

A Manager's view:

 

McNamara accepts his top scorer is "temperamental" but insists that is not unique among talented players.

"Look at players in the past," McNamara told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound. "There's a thin line between genius and temperament, you saw [Zinedine] Zidane in a World Cup final, losing his rag [and getting sent off when France played Italy in 2006].

"You saw Eric Cantona do it, jumping into the crowd [in 1995 during Manchester United's match against Crystal Palace].
"Fortunately, Nadir's not done anything like that yet.

Dundee United players and manager Jackie McNamara looking dejected
United lost Sunday's League Cup final 2-0 to Celtic "He's been blamed for quite a number of things in the last year-and-half up in Scotland, people wanting him banned and everything else, but he's never done anything that serious in my eyes, so far.

 

Does this man suffer from macular degeneration, glaucoma or what...he certainly needs to see an eye specialist before it is too late.

[+HawkeyeTheGnu]

Does this man suffer from macular degeneration, glaucoma or what...he certainly needs to see an eye specialist before it is too late.

Nah, he is just an enthusiastic participant in an activity that affects the eyesight.

[PerfICT]

....they've now appealed McGowan's red. Making a mockery of the system!

Edited March 19, 2015 by PerfICT

[Scarlet Pimple]

Shifty 6--SFA shiftless.'

 

'It;s all about money  so there....."

[The Mantis]

 

Who makes up the panel seems to be a bit of mystery and there's a confidentiality rule that prevents anyone from naming them...!! 

 

I'm fairly sure I can recall hearing long ago on Radio Scotland that these panels are drawn from a pool of former players, former refs and journalists.

 

No, they're made up of 3 officials from SFA member clubs.